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Zainab
November 29, 2018 rated information technology really liked it
I had aimed to read xl books this year and this is my 140th so please believe me when I say I am PROUD of myself!
The Outsiders is i of my all time favorite book and I wanted to read something similar then I picked this one up. This one's gear up effectually the time as The Outsiders and likewise has Ponyboy's cameo ( I cannot express how happy I got when I read nigh him!)
The story'southward great, the volume's cracking but I will never forgive Bryon for what he did. God, the ending was heartbreaking!
Exercise yourself a favo
I had aimed to read 40 books this year and this is my 140th and then please believe me when I say I am PROUD of myself!
The Outsiders is one of my all time favorite volume and I wanted to read something similar so I picked this one up. This i'south set around the fourth dimension as The Outsiders and also has Ponyboy's cameo ( I cannot express how happy I got when I read about him!)
The story'southward cracking, the book'southward swell simply I will never forgive Bryon for what he did. God, the ending was heartbreaking!
Do yourself a favour and read this volume. It'southward brusque, sugariness and heartwrenching.
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"You know what the crummiest feeling yous can take is? To hate the person y'all love the best in the world."
― S.E. Hinton, That Was So, This Is Now

I read this every bit a kid but lately sure things have made me think of it and perhaps I will do a reread.

This volume is lesser known then "The Outsiders". South.Eastward. Hinton wrote both and I am a huge fan of both these books. While I however prefer The Outsiders, this is a bang-up volume as well.

Many are familiar with the plot. Mark and Bryan have been all-time friends al

"You know what the crummiest feeling you lot can have is? To detest the person y'all honey the best in the world."
― S.Eastward. Hinton, That Was Then, This Is Now

I read this as a kid but lately certain things accept fabricated me think of information technology and perhaps I will practise a reread.

This book is bottom known then "The Outsiders". S.E. Hinton wrote both and I am a huge fan of both these books. While I all the same adopt The Outsiders, this is a great book too.

Many are familiar with the plot. Mark and Bryan have been best friends all their lives. But things are changing. Bryan is irresolute. He is growing up and for the first time he has a girlfriend. Mark however is non happy with this and wants things to remain just every bit they take always been.

SPOILERS:

I related to Marking in this book greatly. Things are always changing..who hasn't wanted, at one point or more, for things to just slow down..or freeze altogether?

I am someone who is not all that comfortable with change. And growing up, I too felt this amazing free feeling, the feeling that it would ever exist this way. This is such an easy volume to relate to.

FYI..this book was likewise a motion picture. I saw information technology and the ending is completely unlike. Information technology really ends on a (semi) happy notation. I tin can understand the "Hollywooding" of the ending but honesty, the book's dour catastrophe is closer to reality and is most likely how it actually would take played out.

Although I felt for Mark, I do non excuse some of his actions. Likewise, I felt for Bryan, trying to stay afloat in a world that is changing, trying to hold on to both people he loves while dealing with then much.

I hope if i has not read this book and they stumble on this review, they will option information technology upward. Hinton is an incredible author. She gets in side her characters heads and crafts astonishing literature. I've never forgotten this extraordinary book and will reread soon . Highly recommended.

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Scott
3.five stars

"It'due south non just a stage! You tin can't say 'It's just a phase,' when it's important to people what they're feeling. Maybe he will outgrow it someday, simply right at present it'southward important." -- Cathy, on page 104

Ane of Hinton's strengths as a writer is creating / populating an entire fictional 'wrong side of the tracks' department of existent-life Tulsa, Oklahoma (her birthplace / hometown) with a score of well-defined teenagers and/or young adults who are trying their best to navigate their way through mess

3.five stars

"Information technology's non only a phase! You lot can't say 'It's just a stage,' when information technology's important to people what they're feeling. Possibly he volition outgrow it someday, only correct now it's important." -- Cathy, on page 104

One of Hinton'south strengths as a writer is creating / populating an unabridged fictional 'wrong side of the tracks' section of real-life Tulsa, Oklahoma (her birthplace / hometown) with a score of well-defined teenagers and/or immature adults who are trying their best to navigate their way through messy and disorganized lives. The succinct That Was Then, This is Now shares lineage with two of Hinton'due south other books, The Outsiders and Tex, equally some of the characters freely jump between or through the stories.

That Was So . . . focuses on and is first-person narrated by Bryon, a fourteen year-old growing up in a single-parent household (somewhat uncommon at the time, way back in the summertime of '71) with an 'adopted' brother / best friend of similar age named Mark. The boys appoint in a lot of juvenile delinquent or petty criminal activity, but it eventually becomes clear that Bryon - with his crudely thoughtful nature - will potentially mature and possibly grow up / grow out of it. Mark, still, is a different story, and seems to accept an undercurrent of unpredictability. The book details how their long-running brotherly bond is strained once events commencement occurring that firmly push the 2 boys towards machismo. I admire that Hinton crafted an ending hither that was melancholy, and had one of the characters make a life-altering determination that appears to be divisive to readers. The writer once again as well explores her regular theme (never in a heavy-handed style, only very credible in her stories) of the importance of a positive male function model - or the problem with the lack thereof - in a boy's life.

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Jazmin Jade
Mar 05, 2013 rated it information technology was amazing
This volume is heartbreaking.

I read it years ago and wanted to read it again. Desire to know the reason why it took me years to read it again? Because I cried my eyes out when I finished it the offset time, that it has taken me this long to be able to read information technology again. The heartbreak was still at that place when I reached the end, but information technology was a retentivity of the original heartbreak. I didn't cry the second time effectually, but I was close to information technology.

The characters are are very well developed making you feel everything they

This book is heartbreaking.

I read it years ago and wanted to read it again. Want to know the reason why information technology took me years to read information technology again? Because I cried my optics out when I finished information technology the first fourth dimension, that it has taken me this long to exist able to read information technology again. The heartbreak was yet at that place when I reached the end, but it was a retentivity of the original heartbreak. I didn't cry the second fourth dimension around, just I was shut to it.

The characters are are very well adult making you feel everything they do, which I dont always observe is possible with such brusk books, but information technology accomplished completely hither. It very raw in its emotions, and uncensored in censored kinda way. The lifestyle is one that is brutally harsh and often unpleasant to retrieve about, but the writer doesnt stoop to using lots of swear words though there are plenty of occasions when they are walked effectually. The author leaves the mentions 'foul' speak open up to interpretation, like she does with just the right amount of the settings and the balance of volume. Hinton gives you lot enough to aid grade the image she wants, merely non enough to wreck the experience of using some of your own imagination.

Though by the championship name, and the general style that nosotros found from Hinton's first book The Outsiders (which I will review once I tape my copy back together) we tin kind of guess that the story isn't going to end happily, but what happens is still unexpected and enough to make ane cry.

A modest touch I really enjoyed near this volume is that made me enjoy it just that little bit more, the setting is the same from The Outsiders and yous get to see a glimpse of the old chief character Ponyboy Curtis in one case once again, but he doesnt have over the story. Considering of this I recommend that y'all read the commencement one earlier this even though they aren't related, y'all might just become that something else out of it.

The only bad note I have to say about this book is that there were but a couple of phrases/wording issues that I had to go back and read a couple of times because they didnt menstruum very.

So in determination READ THIS BOOK!! Its a slap-up short read that will alter your soul.

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Irina Elena
See, everyone's talking nigh how the ending is wonderfully dark and hopeless and dauntless in its horror.
Well, I recollect information technology's bullshit.
I remember Mark is gorgeous inside and exterior, and fearless and clever and slightly twisted and expressionless sexy, and I think Bryon is a flighty, selfish, irrational dick. And I'm pissed about it.

You lot know what I'd dear right at present? I'd beloved to have a book about Mark. Only Mark. How he grew upwards and grew harder, what he felt for Bryon and the balance of the globe, his reasons and his

See, everyone'southward talking about how the ending is wonderfully nighttime and hopeless and brave in its horror.
Well, I think it's bullshit.
I think Marker is gorgeous inside and outside, and fearless and clever and slightly twisted and dead sexy, and I remember Bryon is a flighty, selfish, irrational dick. And I'm pissed near it.

You know what I'd honey correct at present? I'd love to take a book about Mark. Just Mark. How he grew up and grew harder, what he felt for Bryon and the rest of the world, his reasons and his means.
Bryon? Fuck Bryon. Bryon is the younger, less impactful version of the classic inept centre-aged protagonist who exists just to show the lows humanity can become to or some such thing, and on a scale of ane to whatsoever other character Hinton has written most he sucks assurance, starting around halfway through the book and up until the very end.

It's a captivating story, I'll give Hinton that.
Brotherhood, friendship and life in the hood are all touched with a delicate manus, and Hinton manages to convey what they mean and feel similar without even needing to explicitly tell the reader nigh them.
The great characters counterbalance the awful ones: Mark does it for Bryon, Thou&M for Cathy. I suppose it all sort of balances out, in the stop - simply this could accept accomplished greatness. There are good seeds.

Bryon, my man, let me give you some annihilation-merely-friendly advice: TALK IT OUT before y'all act, or get the fuck outta here.

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Laura
Aug 17, 2007 rated it liked it
Practice yourself a favor and skip the crap motion-picture show with, um, one of the Estevez brothers, I forget which ane. This YA is actually pretty powerful, if rather dour, considering different the movie, the novel doesn't cop out by giving the audience a phony happy ending. Do yourself a favor and skip the crap flick with, um, ane of the Estevez brothers, I forget which one. This YA is actually pretty powerful, if rather bleak, because unlike the picture, the novel doesn't cop out by giving the audition a phony happy ending. ...more
Jacki
May 17, 2009 rated it it was amazing
Every bit as punching (no pun intended) as The Outsiders, but with a much darker ending.
Information technology was great to come across cameos of the characters from The Outsiders. The different perspective on Curtis was a nice bear on.

Hinton'southward writing style made a noticeable improvement. Which is saying a lot. While she was fantastic in The Outsiders, this book made her points a lot more subtle (with the exception of the titled line). She made no smashing effort to foreshadow events, all the same everything fell into a logical line o

As every bit punching (no pun intended) as The Outsiders, but with a much darker ending.
It was swell to see cameos of the characters from The Outsiders. The unlike perspective on Curtis was a nice touch.

Hinton's writing way fabricated a noticeable improvement. Which is saying a lot. While she was fantastic in The Outsiders, this volume made her points a lot more subtle (with the exception of the titled line). She made no great effort to foreshadow events, withal everything cruel into a logical line of consequences that can surprise yous if yous're not anticipating it. I too feel that the personal development of the characters was ameliorate portrayed than in The Outsiders.
The catastrophe broke my heart and threw out the pieces.

Favorite quotes:
"If you lot have two friends in your lifetime, you're lucky. If you lot accept one GOOD friend, yous're more than than lucky." p. 43

"If people recollect you can't hear them, they talk every bit if you couldn't. Yous tin hear some pretty slap-up stuff that way." p. 45 (I do this a lot)

"You know what the crummiest feeling you can take is? To detest the person y'all dearest the best in the earth." p. 49

'Nothing can wear you out like caring for people." p. 139

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Licha
Feb 21, 2012 rated it information technology was ok
My 12yr old self would have probably given this five stars. But "that was and then, this is at present". <--Pun, pun. Lol. Sorry, that was pretty bad. I couldn't help it.

Let'due south simply say this was not meant to have been read past my mode older self. This was pretty bad, and I'm only giving this 2 stars because nostalgia and Southward.E. Hinton and The Outsiders.

The characters are unlikable and I practice remember non liking them even back when I was younger. Bryon thinks he's cool, and a know information technology all, but he really has no clue he

My 12yr onetime self would accept probably given this 5 stars. Simply "that was and then, this is now". <--Pun, pun. Lol. Sad, that was pretty bad. I couldn't help it.

Let's just say this was not meant to accept been read by my way older cocky. This was pretty bad, and I'm simply giving this ii stars because nostalgia and S.E. Hinton and The Outsiders.

The characters are unlikable and I exercise call up non liking them even back when I was younger. Bryon thinks he'south cool, and a know information technology all, but he really has no clue he's non a likable guy. He falls for Cathy and immediately is choosing her over Mark, his blood brother from another mother. At that place's never plenty detail about Cathy and what makes her so special. If anything, she's besides dislikable. I retrieve I liked Angela better, a daughter from the bad side of the tracks who Bryon used to date. What's and so special about Cathy that makes Bryon be disloyal to Mark? Yeah, didn't care enough about these two.

Another peeves with this book:

--I hate the mode Bryon's name was spelled? Small item, but it bugged me throughout the whole book.

--After Charlie'due south decease, the police decide to requite Bryon and Mark Charlie's car because "they recollect Charlie would have wanted them to have it", although Bryon and Mark are not related to Charlie. This was very sloppy writing. Similar yeah, I wish someone would decide I could accept something because I had that needy await.

--Ponyboy (of The Outsiders) appears throughout the book. In my opinion, he should accept been kept out of this story.

--The ending was terrible. If I disliked Bryon at the first, I actually hated him past the end. And then there'due south the absentee mom, who finally appears, merely to make Bryon feel like he made the right decision.

I detest to rate this so low. S.E. Hinton was one of my favorite authors growing up. I read, and reread, and reread The Outsiders. I approximate I was expecting the same magic for this one.

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Stay Fetters
"You lot know what the crummiest feeling yous can accept is? To detest the person you lot dear the best in the world."

S.Due east. Hinton knows how to write books that really make you think. She makes you go soul searching and look deep within yourself. You e'er beginning off with tough answers and end up with a lot of profound answers.

This one hits deeper than her others because we all grow and alter. Sometimes we have to exercise something huge to show the globe that we're leaving the horribleness behind and moving for

"You know what the crummiest feeling y'all can have is? To hate the person you love the best in the earth."

Due south.E. Hinton knows how to write books that really make you think. She makes you lot go soul searching and look deep within yourself. You lot ever start off with tough answers and end up with a lot of profound answers.

This one hits deeper than her others because we all abound and change. Sometimes nosotros have to practice something huge to show the world that we're leaving the horribleness behind and moving frontward. It really reminded me of my own life of how I was when I commencement moved to the Midwest and at present.

That Was Then, This Is Now was a great read. It's a really quick one. One that I finished inside a few hours. Information technology really had me glued to every page. I do wish information technology was longer though. S.East. Hinton is i author that I had to read in schoolhouse that I really loved.

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Emily Just Emily*~*
What an emotional roller coaster.
I think reading this in high school, but I couldn't remember annihilation about the story. Until almost the end of the volume and then I knew everything.

Ugh, what a mess it ended up being.

Seems like more than 1 person lost their mind.

What an emotional roller coaster.
I remember reading this in high school, but I couldn't remember annihilation most the story. Until almost the cease of the book and and then I knew everything.

Ugh, what a mess it ended upward being.

Seems like more than i person lost their mind.

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Mike
Oct 17, 2013 rated it it was ok
The Outsiders is one of the most important books in YA history. I doubt it was the first book to portray poverty and gang violence amongst teenagers realistically, but it was the first to become popular, and it hugely expanded the boundaries of what books for kids could do, in a way that'south never been done earlier or since. With The Outsiders, Hinton paved the style for authors who took teenagers seriously as an audition to write well-nigh important issues. Do you like books like The Perks of Being a Wallf The Outsiders is one of the most important books in YA history. I uncertainty information technology was the kickoff book to portray poverty and gang violence amongst teenagers realistically, simply it was the get-go to get popular, and it hugely expanded the boundaries of what books for kids could do, in a way that's never been done before or since. With The Outsiders, Hinton paved the fashion for authors who took teenagers seriously equally an audience to write almost important issues. Do y'all like books like The Perks of Being a Wallflower or The Fault in Our Stars? Well, they wouldn't be possible without Hinton'south influence. Books can exist influential without being adept, merely I'grand happy to say that I did moderately bask The Outsiders. It had its flaws, just it's a solid YA book, especially considering that Hinton was doing something she'd essentially never seen washed before. So information technology made sense that it would be good to bank check out her follow-up. This volume didn't have the aforementioned popularity that The Outsiders did, but I still meet it in used bookstores every once in a while.

Merely, unfortunately, this turned out to exist a far weaker volume than The Outsiders. I can run across why this book wasn't as popular or acclaimed every bit The Outsiders - it's merely non as impactful or well-written.

The first problem is immediately irritating, from the opening pages of the book: the directly characterization. Bryon is constantly telling us things nearly the other characters, rather than letting us come across for ourselves. This telling, rather than showing, is substantially how every character in the novel is constructed. It got to the point where I'g not even sure if these characters are at all adult - mayhap they simply take a lot of informed traits. It gets difficult to tell when Hinton feels the need to inform us of every single thing most them. This device isn't just a lazy style out of using subtlety, it'south as well an active barrier to letting us connect to these characters. In that location'south no way for a character to feel similar a real person when their character traits are beingness constantly shoved down our throats. Characterization merely doesn't work that way. Allowing the reader to exercise some work in picking upward on graphic symbol traits is essential in keeping the reader engaged - without that, at that place'south no reason for the reader to stay interested.

Information technology doesn't help that the plot is so meandering and flimsy. In that location's no overarching conflict hither, just a bunch of barely-related plot threads. Each of the plot threads - Bryon'southward mom being in the hospital, M&Thousand disappearing, Mark's onetime girlfriend trying to start a fight, only to name a few - but they don't come together until the very end, and even so, information technology's very cheap and forced. There's but no forward motility backside this book. The characterization doesn't provide information technology, and neither does the plot. There'southward no real tension, no buildup to any sort of real or emotional climax. Things in this book kind of only happen, oftentimes never to exist brought upward again. Hinton just doesn't seem to have a skilful idea of what she wants to say here. Many of the plot threads have potential themes that could ascend from them, only there's no ane idea that unites the whole volume. That'south probably the biggest strength that The Outsiders has compared to this novel. In The Outsiders, Hinton knew exactly what she wanted to say, and everything in the novel built up to that prepare of ideas. Here, Hinton has no thought what she wants to say, so she has null to build the novel around. That's why it ends up so cheap and flimsy.

This isn't a horrible novel. Bryon's voice is functionally identical to Ponyboy'due south, but it at least makes the setting feel immersive. And Hinton definitely does write dialogue well, even if information technology feels extremely dated today. Merely there's not much reason to read this novel. It's both far less influential and not near as good every bit The Outsiders, so only go ahead and read that instead of wasting your time here.

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LemonLinda
Mar 09, 2018 rated it really liked information technology
It really is amazing to me that this writer, a female, can get into the caput of a male person teenager, to such a caste that she so completely reveals his thoughts, his actions, his justifications, his excuses, etc. In reading virtually the author, she said that as a teen she was not satisfied with what was available for her to read so she did something about it and as a issue she wrote literature relevant to and for a immature adult audition. (Of course, the frankness and bold honesty over the years h It really is amazing to me that this author, a female person, can get into the caput of a male person teenager, to such a degree that she and then completely reveals his thoughts, his actions, his justifications, his excuses, etc. In reading about the author, she said that every bit a teen she was non satisfied with what was available for her to read so she did something about information technology and equally a consequence she wrote literature relevant to and for a young adult audience. (Of course, the frankness and assuming honesty over the years has not been so completely embraced and her books have been "taught in some schools and banned in others".) Her target audience may be YA, but I contend that adults tin can as well learn from and benefit from the honest dialogue of teens who are growing upwardly in virtually poverty situations so that rather than reacting with judgement in that location can be an attempt for a deeper understanding. ...more
Teri
Aug 31, 2009 rated it it was amazing
I call back I've read The Outsiders at least half dozen times only strangely I've never read any other of Hinton's books until now. I picked this 1 up at the library for $ane and I'one thousand very glad I did. It's just as gritty and real every bit Outsiders just information technology'due south time period is set up a chip later. (Not too late for Ponyboy to make a cameo appearance though.Information technology'south fun fifty-fifty reading that proper name!) Every bit a parent of a teenager and more on their way there information technology was a skilful reminder of all the crazy emotions of that age. My favorite role is C I think I've read The Outsiders at least 6 times simply strangely I've never read any other of Hinton's books until now. I picked this one up at the library for $one and I'm very glad I did. Information technology'due south just as gritty and real as Outsiders but it's fourth dimension menstruation is set a bit later. (Not too late for Ponyboy to make a cameo appearance though.It's fun even reading that name!) As a parent of a teenager and more on their style there it was a adept reminder of all the crazy emotions of that age. My favorite role is Cathy crying to her father and proverb, "Y'all tin can't say, 'This is just a stage,' when it'south of import to people what they're feeling. Maybe he will outgrow it someday, but right at present it's important." Loved it! ...more
Michael cook
Aug 28, 2011 rated it it was astonishing
Do you like gangs, drugs and hustling for money? Well then yous'll dearest this volume. This book is about the criminal life of 16 yr quondam Bryon. Bryon and his best friend Marking used to spend nearly of their time puddle hustling and mugging people. Ever since they were kids they loved to fight. Almost every day they would mug people or hustle them in puddle for coin. 1 night that completely inverse for Bryon. Their adept friend Charlie ran the bar they would hustle in. One dark when Bryon and Mark were l Do you similar gangs, drugs and hustling for money? Well so you'll honey this book. This book is well-nigh the criminal life of xvi year quondam Bryon. Bryon and his best friend Mark used to spend virtually of their time puddle hustling and mugging people. Ever since they were kids they loved to fight. Almost every twenty-four hour period they would mug people or hustle them in pool for money. One night that completely changed for Bryon. Their good friend Charlie ran the bar they would hustle in. One night when Bryon and Mark were leaving Charlie's bar they got called into an ally. Charlie came to the rescue just in time but got shot. Now for Bryon, the thug life doesn't seem and then appealing. The two friends stop seeing each other and begin to grow apart. This book grabbed me from the first folio and collection me to read more. Due south.Eastward. Hinton did a great task with suspense and twists. ...more than
Jennifer
Jun 09, 2008 rated it really liked information technology
This is a coming of age story about 2 best friends, and what happens to them when they commencement to mature and grow apart. It is a story near friendship, loyalty, and mostly how the deviation between right and wrong is subjective. There is excellent grapheme development, and although the book is short (I finished information technology in a few hours) by the cease you feel for every character in the story, as if you really know them. Recommended for anyone who liked The Outsiders.
Janie
Jul xv, 2009 rated it it was ok
I actually tried to like this book. I loved the Outsiders, and I liked seeing some of those characters again. Brian and Marker just seemed a lot meaner to me though, without as many redeeming qualities. The thing that bothered me the most was the ending; information technology left me really dissastisfied. Whenever something ends sadly, people say information technology's realistic, merely happy endings exist in real life, and would it kill authors to put one in every now so? I actually tried to like this book. I loved the Outsiders, and I liked seeing some of those characters once again. Brian and Marking only seemed a lot meaner to me though, without as many redeeming qualities. The thing that bothered me the most was the ending; it left me really dissastisfied. Whenever something ends sadly, people say it's realistic, but happy endings exist in existent life, and would information technology kill authors to put 1 in every at present and then? ...more
BAM Endlessly Booked
Audio #148

I don't recall I could take survived puberty without the Brat Pack and S Eastward Hinton. I read all iv of her novels repeatedly for years. Then drooled over the casts of the movies. I felt a bit nostalgic when I noticed this audiobook at my library and immediately checked it out. I traveled back in time. Of class how I experience virtually the storyline now is not nearly every bit overpowering every bit it was 35 years ago, simply I appreciated the flashback. I think I'll seek out the other three too.

Leena Ali
Sep 04, 2010 rated it it was amazing
This review has been hidden considering it contains spoilers. To view it, click here. This book is about a guy named Bryon. He lives with his mom and his all-time friend Marker, lives with him crusade both of marks parents died. Mark and Bryon have been best friend way before Marker moved in. 1 day Bryon had a really bad headache and wanted a cigarette. SO he reached under Marks bed to get the box that Marks keeps the cigarettes in. And he saw drugs in the box. So he called the police correct away and he didn't know why he betrayed Mark. When Marker came in the room, Bryon looked at him, and This book is about a guy named Bryon. He lives with his mom and his all-time friend Mark, lives with him cause both of marks parents died. Mark and Bryon have been best friend style earlier Mark moved in. I twenty-four hour period Bryon had a actually bad headache and wanted a cigarette. And so he reached under Marks bed to get the box that Marks keeps the cigarettes in. And he saw drugs in the box. And so he called the constabulary right away and he didn't know why he betrayed Mark. When Mark came in the room, Bryon looked at him, and Marker said "Don't worry, I don't drink information technology,I just sell it" And Bryon said "I chosen the police" Mark went white and he tried to understand what his best bud had done. Marking told Bryon that he could've stopped if he didn't want him to sell them. But it was to tardily for Marker to practise anything now,he tin hear the siren beside their house. The police men came in and held marks artillery tightly while Bryon told everything to the police force about Marks job. Mark didn't practice anything, he just started to weep and went with the law men. I 24-hour interval in jail, Bryon went to visit Marker, and mark said"I'thou glad your here...so I tin tell y'all that I detest you" This part made me weep and so much and:'( I can never forget what happened after and before that. Its an amazing book. I Honey It!!!<3<iii ...more
Abby
December 17, 2010 rated it liked information technology
The book was so good...during the pages. During the journeying of Bryon and Marker, that is. It was emotional, breathtaking, and shocking! Due south.E. Hinton is an obvious gifted author, I'll tell anyone!

Bryon is a kid who's focused on the large pic. He's serious only has fun if it'south hassling or only being the cool child. He'south a wise-fissure child and the biggest role player in Tulsa. He never says "I beloved yous" with feeling. But that was until Cathy came along.

Mark is the joker. He'due south the ane who can hardly speak a s

The book was so skilful...during the pages. During the journey of Bryon and Mark, that is. It was emotional, scenic, and shocking! S.E. Hinton is an obvious gifted author, I'll tell anyone!

Bryon is a child who's focused on the large picture. He's serious but has fun if it's hassling or just being the cool child. He's a wise-crack kid and the biggest player in Tulsa. He never says "I love you" with feeling. But that was until Cathy came forth.

Marker is the joker. He's the one who tin can hardly speak a sentence with out grinning like Ii-Bit (grapheme from The Outsiders). He'due south a 'panthera leo' with blond hair and golden eyes. He'southward someone who focuses on the moment but volition does this help?

They've been together for well-nigh ever. Now, that relationship is breaking slowly, scissure by cleft. Secrets pull them apart, realizations bring them back with acrimony, and brilliant words connect them. With Bryon growing up and Marking longing to be in the past, tin can they be best friends? Can they be even friends? This novel keeps yous gasping in a total of 11 chapters until the last page.

And it's the last folio that shocks you the most.

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Phil Jensen
In her afterward, Hinton mentions that this book was written while fighting through writer's block. Information technology shows. The character dynamics and plot development are very forced and after school special-ish. The characters and situations are dated and awkward. Overall, this is an overrated book that scores some inexpensive fan points through a cameo by Ponyboy. In her afterward, Hinton mentions that this volume was written while fighting through writer's cake. It shows. The graphic symbol dynamics and plot development are very forced and after school special-ish. The characters and situations are dated and awkward. Overall, this is an overrated book that scores some cheap fan points through a cameo by Ponyboy. ...more than
Beth
Jun twenty, 2015 rated it liked it
This is a fragment of a story, a bitter, sobering expect at letting people alter you lot and and so not recognizing the people around you - or yourself - anymore. It's less melodramatic than The Outsiders, which makes its darkness a little uglier. Nobody gets a happy ending. There is no catastrophe. This is a fragment of a story, a bitter, sobering look at letting people modify you lot and then non recognizing the people effectually you - or yourself - anymore. It's less melodramatic than The Outsiders, which makes its darkness a fiddling uglier. Nobody gets a happy catastrophe. There is no catastrophe. ...more
J.K. Grice
A great adolescent character study, THAT WAS THEN, THIS IS At present is about growing upward and dealing with all of the difficult and hard changes that life throws your way. A surprising book in some ways. I enjoyed this short novel of Hinton'southward. A swell adolescent character study, THAT WAS And so, THIS IS At present is about growing upward and dealing with all of the difficult and hard changes that life throws your style. A surprising book in some ways. I enjoyed this short novel of Hinton's. ...more than
Jesska
April 17, 2011 rated information technology did non similar information technology
This is the story of a cool guy who turns into a total foursquare and narcs his best friend out to the cops. It is infuriating.
Information technology does, however, have Ponyboy Curtis in information technology and at that place aren't whatever vampires.
This is the story of a cool guy who turns into a full square and narcs his all-time friend out to the cops. It is infuriating.
It does, however, have Ponyboy Curtis in it and there aren't whatever vampires.
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Ian Ochieng
Oct 26, 2018 rated information technology really liked information technology
That Was Then, This Is Now was a very eye opening read that becomes more heady from the offset to the cease.

It's a novel about two boys named Bryon and Mark that are living in a lodge where their lives tin can change in the blink of an eye, and Bryon has to outset making strong decisions because of Mark'due south choices.

I like Bryon, because the more he has life long experiences, the more he starts to realize reality. As the story develops Mark realizes how people really are. Marking learns that simply becau

That Was Then, This Is Now was a very eye opening read that becomes more heady from the start to the end.

It'southward a novel about two boys named Bryon and Mark that are living in a society where their lives can alter in the blink of an center, and Bryon has to beginning making potent decisions because of Mark's choices.

I like Bryon, considering the more than he has life long experiences, the more than he starts to realize reality. As the story develops Marker realizes how people really are. Marking learns that but because you may be shut with someone in the past that they tin alter to exist completely different people later on. He begins to realize that although Marker is his brother that he is a bad influence. Bryon says "He could have talked all dark and I wouldn't have inverse my mind. This was wrong."(141-142). Bryon also says "Mark had absolutely no concept of what was right and what was wrong; he didn't obey any laws, considering he couldn't see that there were any. Laws, right and wrong, they didn't matter to Marking, considering they were but words."(142). This shows that Bryon is starting to realize how the world actually is, and that people may not who they really seem they are.

I enjoyed seeing Bryon grow every bit a person, and to stop being blinded of the stereotypes of the earth he lives in. I would recommend this book to people that savor reading nearly realizations of what the globe is actually similar.

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Chris Clinton
Oct 26, 2018 rated it actually liked information technology

I liked That Was Then, This is At present because it gives a good, brilliant idea on how social club was in the 1970'southward. 16 twelvemonth old Bryon is having a rough time in this book about how hard it was in the 1970'south for some people and Bryon goes through a lot.
Bryon goes through a lot of things, particularly for a teenager, and he changes his ways tremendously. Bryon experiences a lot of things similar, gang violence, death, and depression.
Bryon is a good grapheme to display what went on in that society. Bryon starts off

I liked That Was Then, This is Now because it gives a good, vivid idea on how society was in the 1970's. 16 yr old Bryon is having a rough time in this book about how hard information technology was in the 1970'due south for some people and Bryon goes through a lot.
Bryon goes through a lot of things, peculiarly for a teenager, and he changes his means tremendously. Bryon experiences a lot of things similar, gang violence, expiry, and depression.
Bryon is a good graphic symbol to display what went on in that society. Bryon starts off the book as a carefree teenager who seems to be living his life only that changes all of a sudden when he goes through a midlife crisis. He experiences one of his friends dying, he also experiences his friend Marker go hit in the face up with a canteen which caused a lot of bleeding. The thing that really inverse Mark was him seeing M&Grand messed up and when he sent his all-time friend to jail.
Bryon went from a carefree teenager into a depressed actress-cautious man who didn't call back information technology would always get better for him.
I recommend this volume to people who like books about how the old days were and what the struggle was similar for some people.
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Kim Clifton
An malaise-ridden coming of age story well-nigh growing apart.

Information technology'southward almost impossible non to compare this to The Outsiders because information technology's set up in the aforementioned town and Ponyboy and the Shepard brothers make appearances. Since most of the story actually takes place in town, it feels like a snapshot of the culture in the 1960s, more and then than The Outsiders. On one manus, information technology's interesting to encounter how the Socs and Greasers have changed since The Outsiders (props to SE Hinton for the nevertheless-timely observation that rich

An angst-ridden coming of age story almost growing apart.

It's most impossible not to compare this to The Outsiders considering it'southward set in the same town and Ponyboy and the Shepard brothers make appearances. Since most of the story actually takes identify in town, it feels like a snapshot of the culture in the 1960s, more so than The Outsiders. On one hand, information technology'south interesting to see how the Socs and Greasers accept changed since The Outsiders (props to SE Hinton for the notwithstanding-timely observation that rich folk spend a lot of money trying to apparel poor), simply the characters aren't every bit kind as the Curtis brothers, and so I didn't care about them besides much. Bryon's narration sounds a lot like Ponyboy'southward... until he makes reductive comments about picking up chicks, and it gets annoying.

Overall, the volume attempts to ponder why bad things happen to good people. It'due south a fine question, only I'1000 non sure the way Hinton went about illustrating it is the most effective. The book feels like Bryon and Marking walking through a serial of examples and so talking about them philosophically-ish. It'south a little forced for a curt book to span an entire year, but zoom in simply on these conversations.

In her author'south note, Hinton writes that The Outsiders was to make people experience, and this book is to make people call back. Well, mission accomplished, I just recall I similar feeling amend.

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Katy
Dec 09, 2017 rated it it was amazing
South.E. Hinton said this almost That Was Then, This Is At present: "The Outsiders made yous feel. That Was Then, This Is Now will make yous call up." That could non exist more truthful. I experience and love and cry over Ponyboy and his story, nonetheless, I want to question, clarify, and interrogate Bryon and Mark about their stories. I know others didn't particularly similar how Pony was portrayed in this story, simply I recollect information technology'south expert he was included to go along those who loved The Outsiders so much reading another volume. You go so S.E. Hinton said this almost That Was Then, This Is Now: "The Outsiders made you experience. That Was Then, This Is At present volition brand you call back." That could not be more true. I experience and honey and cry over Ponyboy and his story, however, I want to question, clarify, and interrogate Bryon and Mark about their stories. I know others didn't particularly like how Pony was portrayed in this story, only I think it's practiced he was included to proceed those who loved The Outsiders so much reading another book. You go and so focused on Ponyboy and his gang, y'all forget in that location could exist so many other characters leading similar (or perhaps non so similar) lives.

I don't think all the references to drugs are appropriate for immature readers, simply historically speaking, it's accurate for the setting (both fourth dimension and identify). I about desire to teach this volume as well because there is SO much to clarify. I really did like it though and will probably read information technology once again to see what I take away with a second reading.

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Noah Crocker
Jan 12, 2019 rated information technology really liked it
Read this i before "The Outsiders" (oops), but it really didn't matter that much. It was amazing yet.

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The catastrophe cuts me upwards every single time. I've gotta put my heart on life support at this point.

Read this one earlier "The Outsiders" (oops), but it actually didn't thing that much. It was amazing nonetheless.

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The ending cuts me up every single time. I've gotta put my heart on life support at this point.

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Jason
Sep 17, 2018 rated it information technology was amazing
Recommends information technology for: Anyone
Recommended to Jason by: Nobody
I like The Outsiders more, simply Ms. Hinton shows u.s.a. with her second book that she can, indeed, stay gold. And I'll admit that this is the better written book. She improves a lot between ages xvi and xx, but some of the minor annoyances are still in that location. And I loved the story in this one; just look at all the stars I gave it. But there'south a special place in my centre for The Outsiders mostly due to the movie, and that'due south that. And how awesome is information technology that Ponyboy makes a brief appearance in this? Uber aw I like The Outsiders more, simply Ms. Hinton shows us with her second book that she can, indeed, stay gilt. And I'll admit that this is the meliorate written book. She improves a lot betwixt ages xvi and twenty, but some of the minor annoyances are notwithstanding there. And I loved the story in this one; just look at all the stars I gave it. But there's a special place in my heart for The Outsiders mostly due to the moving-picture show, and that's that. And how awesome is it that Ponyboy makes a brief appearance in this? Uber crawly! The dude's cool equally a fan.

Just this isn't nearly Ponyboy. It's well-nigh Bryon and Mark, besties who abound apart. One time Bryon started moving toward adulthood, I could barely put the book downward. I understand him completely. I understand his feelings and turmoil. I sympathize his decisions (not that I would've made the aforementioned ones). I sympathise his eventual apathy. I understand his "just allow me become the fuck away from here" mental attitude that'due south implied at the cease. And yet I also understand Mark, though he's quite different from Byron. At least I understand part of Marker. I understand the hate, and I'm well acquainted with wanting to concur a grudge. For some people, not property a grudge comes naturally. For me it takes a lot of piece of work. My natural inclination is to despise the mahfah to the end of his days, and Mark was betrayed pretty severely. But I empathise. Yet I also don't like it. I'grand quite conflicted, simply I'm not pissed off about it at all. Does any of this brand sense? If and then, you lot're doing better than me, because I can't make heads or tails of it myself. All I know is that I related to a lot of what was going on, and I loved reading this. South.E. Hinton can brand some great characters, and just like with The Outsiders, it's the characters that drive the story and non vice versa. That'south my kind of yarn, right there.

At that place are foreign inconsistencies in this book, only I wouldn't change anything about it since Ms. Hinton seems to be prudish in the same areas that I am. In that location's violence ranging from modest rough-housing to murder. There's drug employ to the point of brain damage. There's drinking to the point of intoxication. There's cigarette smoking. And all of this stuff is happening with 13-16 year-olds. Yet at that place's no profanity outside of an occasional hell or damn, and rough linguistic communication is even commented on by our protagonists. In that location's also a lot of going out with chicks, but information technology all stops waaaaaaay curt of sex activity, though I reckon it's implied. I minor graphic symbol idea she was significant at ane point, but you have to read between the lines to catch that. This came out in 1971, and was fabricated for the immature adult genre, so I suppose you could get but so graphic, but I establish all of this kind of cute. I think there was some naivety on Hinton's function at work here, but I could be wrong.

And speaking of naivety, it'due south funny watching hippies infiltrate Tulsa when a couple of years prior it was just greasers and preps. (At to the lowest degree I assume we're withal in Tulsa, OK since Ponyboy was in that location, and I'm pretty sure that's where The Outsiders was ready.) There were pocket-sized comments throughout on how peaceful the hippies are, and and then we get ane line from Bryon about how they wouldn't even fight to defend themselves...

Redline it, baby. Such a line could exist used to depict 1000&K, a pretty absurd hippie character that I actually liked, merely Bryon was applying it to all of hippiedom, and I really think that was but an extension of Hinton'southward bodily beliefs. Again, I could exist wrong.

If you lot like a skilful coming of age story with a rather sad catastrophe (at least for a young adult book), so get at it.

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Lee Foust
May 12, 2019 rated it actually liked it
So I'g looking at my lit mag/author-centered twitter feed former last year or the year earlier and I see an article nigh Due south. E. Hinton speaking earlier an audience. During the Q & A session a fan asks her why she had to impale off the hero of her offset and most famous novel and she responds, "Because I'g a stone-common cold bowwow." Which is, I think, probably the coolest, almost honest, and in-your-face answer to a question that any writer has ever given about their work.

I fall back into memories of my ear

And so I'm looking at my lit mag/writer-centered twitter feed sometime last yr or the year before and I encounter an article about Due south. Due east. Hinton speaking before an audition. During the Q & A session a fan asks her why she had to kill off the hero of her start and most famous novel and she responds, "Because I'g a stone-common cold bitch." Which is, I call up, probably the coolest, virtually honest, and in-your-face answer to a question that any author has ever given about their work.

I fall dorsum into memories of my early teen years in the mid-1970s. A precocious reader enamored of late-night Saturday horror film re-runs, I retrieve the 4th grade English projection we had to practise of choosing three somehow thematically-related novels and making a book box to put them in. I chose Dracula, Frankenstein, and The Foreign Case of Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde. I remember being more scared to pass my choices past the instructor than I'd ever been by whatsoever of the and so-called scary films I'd e'er seen, feeling like the world--read: my parents--considered monsters to be merely stupid kid stuff. The teacher, Lee Kinser--a wonderful lady (although I did get teased quite a bit because of how much we liked each other and considering we had the same commencement proper noun despite our binary opposed genders)--realizing the literary worth of those three masterpieces, was both impressed and supportive of my choices. I made a hearse out of a shoe box with which to house my little Gothic gems on their way to the cemetery.

This is all only to explicate how, despite my perfect age for it, I missed out on reading the tough teenage novels of Due south. Eastward. Hinton back in the 24-hour interval when all of my peers were gobbling them up and feeling cooler-than-absurd for doing and so. (Yeah, I grew up in an almost totally white upper-middle class suburb where rebellious teenage urges could only yearn for the street fighting, smoking, and full general lower-class roughness that her Tulsa novels describe. I, being a product of the working-class uncomfortably inserted into this world through the charm and proficient luck of my wanna-be bourgeois begetter wasn't very interested in that stuff at the time.)

But, having read the "stone-cold bowwow" comment I was intrigued and, finding a re-create of That Was And so, This Is Now in a thrift store for a dime, my fate was sealed.

I enjoyed information technology. Even at my age--mid fifties--I was non at all immune to the novel's narrative of the anxieties and traumas inevitable as one moves from artless self-absorption to an adult sensation of others, empathy, and feelings of responsibleness. Along with this perhaps rather obvious truth, the novel even goes deeper by showing how to detect love is too to discover jealousy and how emotions kind of inevitably lead to a sort of bi-polar experience of agony and ecstasy for which young people are scarcely equipped to bargain when they first come across these seemingly contradictory emotions. And, while we get better at it with practise, the pleasures and pains of love, of caring about almost anything, never totally goes abroad. And so, yeah, information technology'due south a novel for adolescents of all ages.

My biggest beefiness with the novel, though, is the narrator's constantly having to brim around all of the bad language that diverse characters use during the grade of the narrative. Doing so kept reminding me of the writer manipulating the text and her own outward concerns with an audition of teens and the publishing world, which, in those moments, kept getting in the mode of the novel's otherwise sincere attempts at telling hard truths as honestly as possible. Just, well, Hinton did a pretty good chore of making it feel equally if the narrator was making the decision to conscience his reality most of the time--simply it simply happened then much it wasn't ever disarming.

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Southward.E. Hinton, was and still is, one of the most popular and best known writers of young adult fiction. Her books have been taught in some schools, and banned from others. Her novels inverse the manner people look at young developed literature.

Susan Eloise Hinton was built-in in Tulsa, Oklahoma. She has e'er enjoyed reading but wasn't satisfied with the literature that was being written for young adults, wh

S.E. Hinton, was and still is, 1 of the well-nigh pop and best known writers of young adult fiction. Her books have been taught in some schools, and banned from others. Her novels inverse the manner people look at young adult literature.

Susan Eloise Hinton was born in Tulsa, Oklahoma. She has e'er enjoyed reading simply wasn't satisfied with the literature that was being written for young adults, which influenced her to write novels like The Outsiders. That volume, her beginning novel, was published in 1967 by Viking.

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